In this episode of ClearTech Loop, Jo Peterson sits down with Bil Harmer, Founder & CEO of Killswitch Advisory, to explore a topic every security leader wrestles with — how to make cybersecurity pay for itself. 

Harmer brings more than two decades of experience leading programs for startups, governments, and global financial institutions. He’s blunt, practical, and focused on one truth: cybersecurity isn’t a cost center — it’s a financial model. 

Jo and Bil break down what that means for CISOs under pressure to do more with less: 

• Why security is a cost of survival, not safety 
• How to redefine cyber risk as financial risk 
• Why governance now starts with procurement 
• What “acceptable loss” really looks like in practice 
• How to spot hidden AI clauses in your SaaS contracts before your data trains someone else’s model 

This episode cuts past the theory and gets into the business side of cybersecurity — where financial fluency is now just as important as technical skill. 

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