In this conversation, Samuel McCulloch, DeFi Advisoor and Colin Platt discuss various topics including April Fool's jokes, meme coins, stable coins, and the growth of Ethena. They also touch on the Euro stablecoin supply and the risks associated with Ethena. The conversation provides insights into the dynamics of the stablecoin market and the potential impact of Athena on the industry. They explore the potential market cap of stablecoins, the launch of Agora Dollar, and the role of interest rates in stablecoin adoption. They also touch on the concept of immutable protocols and the importance of composability in DeFi. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the Leviathan Points system and upcoming guests on the show.