Episode 56: About one third of people who have a mental health condition also develop a substance use disorder at some point in their lives. In this episode, we discuss the complicated intersection of these problems, a combination that currently afflicts nearly 17 million Americans. Joining us for this conversation about co-occurring disorders is psychotherapist Cynthia Nollenberger and artist-musician Rick, who shares about his journey to mental health recovery and, eventually, to substance use recovery. This 2019 interview has been re-edited with new material and personal stories added.