What if the biggest thing holding you back in leadership is not what you say, but the hidden story behind why you say it?

In this episode of The Pick Now Podcast, Jeff Munn sits down with Chuck Wisner, founder of Wisner Consulting and author of The Art of Conscious Conversations, for a thoughtful conversation about leadership, communication, creativity, and the patterns that shape how we show up in life and work.

Chuck shares his journey from music to architecture to leadership consulting, and how each chapter taught him something deeper about creativity, language, and human connection. Together, Jeff and Chuck explore why so many leaders get trapped in needing to have the answer, how our old stories can quietly limit us, and why better conversations begin with more self-awareness.

In this episode:

• Why the stories we tell ourselves shape how we lead and communicate
• How to recognize patterns that no longer serve you
• Why great leaders shift from being "knowers" to being learners
• The difference between closed-fist and open-hand communication
• How storytelling, collaboration, creativity, and commitment conversations build on each other
• Why slowing down before making decisions can lead to better outcomes

If you've ever felt stuck in old patterns, struggled to speak honestly, or wondered how to create better conversations at work and in life, this episode will challenge the way you think about communication, leadership, and personal growth.

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