The co-hosts chat it up with Taylor Lorenz, in an interview that spends a lot of time talking about another interview: the one that she did with Chaya Raichik, the woman behind the account Libs of Tiktok, who used her platform to build massive harassment campaigns against queer people and their medical providers. They talk about how GamerGate laid the foundations for the current "Groomer Panic," and Taylor gives some sage and sobering advice for dealing with malicious people. They also talk about which Christmas movie characters could use plastic surgery.