First, we're joined by Pam Hemphill, 70, who is a self-avowed “ex-MAGA Granny” who served jail time for participating in the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot. After repudiating her former beliefs, she called out Donald Trump on social media for exploiting her story for political gain and she joins us to describe her experience in the riot, the dangers, and how she came to terms with Trump's manipulation.

Then, we're joined by Steven Hassan, author of The Cult of Trump: A Leading Cult Expert Explains How the President Uses Mind Control. He breaks down his own history being in a cult and how his experience allowed him to get a better insight on other cultish behaviors and gaslighting. He discusses Trump's manipulation tactics and how they align with cult ideals.

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