In this week's episode Scott Pittman speaks with Joanna and Jacob Aman about: from New Mexico to Nepal with Bill Mollison; learning whole systems thinking; the Permaculture Drylands Institute; looking for solutions to the basic dysfunction of our culture; the "invisible structures" of society; the core ethics of permaculture; caring for the land and the people; a non-hoarding ethics; dignity of the aboriginal people; the deepest spiritual longing; speaking truth to love; a fearless pedagogy for the oppressed; engaging the living process of this planet; breaking free from a frozen mindset; opportunities for healing and changing things.