Further was originally a Quartet and then for awhile it was just the three of us. Towards the end we started moving away from low-fi records, trying to make our sound a little bit better. There was a time we didn’t even have a bass player, it was just three guitars and drums. We knew we needed a keyboard player and bass player.

I saw this kid at the radio station one day, he was kind of like a punk rock/emu kid. I said, “can you play any instruments?” He said, “I can play guitar.” I said, “do you think you can play bass?” He said, “I can try.” I said, “do you want to come to practice Thursday?” That guy was Chris Gunst.

I left Further to do a project with Sony and eventually after Further dissolved, they started a new band called Beachwood Sparks. That’s when Farmer Dave came in.

There was a radio show that a couple of the guys from Beachwood Sparks had on KXLU, the local indie station out here (SoCal), they actually got in trouble, and almost got kicked off the air, because in the middle of the punk rock/indie rock, they would play David Crosby and Gram Parsons, and that was a big no-no.