🎙️ Episode Title: John Gets Interviewed: The Story Behind Spoiled Fruit

🎧 Episode Description:

We’re back—and kicking things off with a role reversal. In this special episode of The Deconstructionists, Adam returns to the mic (yes, really!) to interview John about his new investigative podcast Spoiled Fruit: Faith & Power, which officially drops Tuesday, May 6th.

After over a year of research, interviews, and late-night editing sessions, Spoiled Fruit is ready to be heard. In this episode, we unpack what it’s all about: the rise and fall of a once-promising church movement, how empire-building corrupted the mission, and what happens when growth is prioritized over accountability.

John shares the personal story behind the project, what inspired it, what he uncovered, and why this podcast matters now more than ever. We also talk about the deep emotional weight of telling these stories—and why some of the full-length interviews from Spoiled Fruit will be released right here on The Deconstructionists feed in the coming weeks.

👀 Adam will be back for more episodes soon—and we promise, the next topic will be a little lighter.

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Welcome back to The Deconstructionists Podcast!

Today, we’re excited to re-release one of our most beloved conversations with Father Richard Rohr — a deep-dive interview we originally titled “Richard Rohr 101.”

This is different from the Father Rohr episode we re-released a few weeks ago — that earlier conversation gave a broad overview of his work.

This one? It goes deeper — exploring contemplation, non-duality, spiritual transformation, the Universal Christ, and how we move through the stages of faith with authenticity and courage.

Whether you’re encountering Richard Rohr for the first time or revisiting his wisdom, we think this conversation will challenge and inspire you.

🔥 Big Announcement!

My new investigative podcast, Spoiled Fruit: Faith & Power, launches May 6th!

Over a year in the making, Spoiled Fruit takes a hard look at what happens when spiritual movements lose their way — when empire building, growth, and power take precedence over care, accountability, and integrity.

Through investigative reporting and real human stories, we reveal the systemic failures, hidden scandals, and human costs behind modern evangelical institutions.

👉 Subscribe now so you don’t miss the premiere!

🎧 Listen & Subscribe to Spoiled Fruit:

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spoiled-fruit-faith-power/id1806119673

www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com

📚 Resources & Links from Today’s Episode:

Father Richard Rohr:

• Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC) – Founder’s organization for teaching and spiritual formation

• Books by Richard Rohr

• Falling Upward: A Spirituality for the Two Halves of Life

• The Universal Christ: How a Forgotten Reality Can Change Everything We See, Hope For, and Believe

• Everything Belongs: The Gift of Contemplative Prayer

• Daily Meditations from Richard Rohr

• Center for Action and Contemplation Podcast Network

Follow Father Rohr:

• Instagram: @cacradicalgrace

• YouTube: Center for Action and Contemplation

🎵 Music Credits:

• Theme Song: “Oh, Church” by Forrest Clay

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• Background Music: Selections by Message To Bears

(Listen on Spotify | Bandcamp)

Big thanks to both Forrest Clay and Message To Bears for creating the beautiful sonic atmosphere that supports these conversations.

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Episode Description:

In this special re-release, we revisit our 2016 conversation with Father Richard Rohr, a renowned Franciscan friar and ecumenical teacher celebrated for his profound insights into Christian mysticism, contemplation, and action. Father Rohr’s teachings have guided countless individuals on their spiritual journeys, encouraging a deeper understanding of faith and the interconnectedness of all things. Whether you’re hearing this dialogue for the first time or revisiting it, Father Rohr’s wisdom remains as transformative as ever.

Guest Information:

Father Richard Rohr

Father Richard Rohr is a Franciscan priest and the founder of the Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC) in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Established in 1987, the CAC serves as a hub for contemplative education and practices, aiming to equip individuals to work for positive change in the world. Father Rohr has authored numerous books, including The Universal Christ, Falling Upward, and Everything Belongs.

•Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC): https://cac.org/

•Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CenterforActionandContemplation/

•YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMkqKAtSgijU439fJUNHnkA

Listen to the Episode:

•Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deconstructionists/id1080170463

•Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ds1MOzs0z4o4prkkMQ6on

•Official Website: https://thedeconstructionists.org/

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If you enjoyed this episode, please rate, review, and subscribe to The Deconstructionists Podcast on your preferred platform. Your support helps us continue to bring thought-provoking conversations to the forefront.

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Support the Center for Action and Contemplation:

If Father Rohr’s teachings resonate with you, consider exploring more of his work and supporting the Center for Action and Contemplation. The CAC offers a wealth of resources, including online courses, daily meditations, and publications aimed at fostering spiritual growth and contemplative action.

•Website: https://cac.org/

•YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMkqKAtSgijU439fJUNHnkA

Episode Description:

In this special re-release, we revisit our profound conversation with renowned theologian Walter Brueggemann. Known for his influential work on the prophetic imagination, Brueggemann challenges us to envision a world rooted in compassion, justice, and a deep understanding of the Hebrew prophets. Whether you’re hearing this dialogue for the first time or revisiting it, Brueggemann’s insights remain as timely and transformative as ever.

Musical Features:

This episode is enriched with special musical contributions from Forrest Clay and Seabird, whose evocative sounds complement the depth of our discussion.

Featured Music:

🎵 Forrest Clay

An Ohio-based singer-songwriter, Forrest Clay crafts music that delves into the human experience with authenticity and depth. His latest EP, “Recover”, is available now.

•Instagram: @forrestclaymusic

•Latest Single: “Child of War”

🎵 Seabird

Hailing from Independence, Kentucky, Seabird is an alternative rock band known for their piano-driven melodies and introspective lyrics. Their albums, including “’Til We See the Shore” and “Rocks into Rivers”, have captivated audiences with their heartfelt storytelling.

•Official Website: seabirdmusic.com

•Instagram: @seabirdmusic

•Twitter: @seabirdmusic

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If you enjoyed this episode, please rate, review, and subscribe to The Deconstructionists Podcast on your preferred platform. Your support helps us continue to bring thought-provoking conversations to the forefront.

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For updates on our upcoming limited series investigative podcast, “Spoiled Fruit: Faith & Power”, be sure to follow us on social media. This new series will explore the complexities of faith movements and the dynamics of power within them.

Support the Artists:

Music plays a vital role in enriching our episodes. If you resonated with the tracks featured in this episode, consider supporting Forrest Clay and Seabird by streaming their music, following them on social media, and attending their live performances.

In this thrilling season of From the Void, join us as we delve into history's most perplexing mysteries. From the eerie disappearance of the Roanoke colony to the controversial fate of Adolf Hitler, we explore the stories that continue to baffle experts.

We'll also tackle the age-old question of mythical creatures like Bigfoot and sift through new evidence that might finally reveal their existence. Plus, with the increasing number of UFO sightings, are we closer to uncovering the truth that could reshape our understanding of the universe?

Subscribe now and be prepared for an adventurous journey into the unknown, where the strange and unexplained await discovery.

Welcome to the Deconstructionist Podcast! Join host John Williamson as he embarks on a captivating exploration of ancient biblical manuscripts with esteemed guest Dr. Garrick V. Allen. Delve into the intriguing world of historical texts, their annotations, and the fascinating doodles etched by past readers. Discover the significance of titles and how they shape our understanding of the scriptures over time.

In this engaging episode, unearth the hidden stories and personal imprints left by individuals across centuries. From corrections and notes to lists and marginalia, learn how these elements contribute to the living and evolving tradition of the biblical texts. Gain insights into the communal nature of ancient writings and their lasting impact on modern interpretations.

With vibrant discussions and vivid descriptions, this podcast invites you to rethink your approach to sacred texts and appreciate the dynamic interplay between history, scholarship, and personal reflection. Tune in now and explore a new dimension of understanding the New Testament!

Garrick V. Allen is professor of divinity and biblical criticism at the University of Glasgow. He has written dozens of academic articles, popular pieces, and multiple award-winning monographs, including The Book of Revelation and Early Jewish Textual Culture, which won a Manfred Lautenschlaeger Award for Theological Promise, and Manuscripts of the Book of Revelation, which won the Paul J. Achtemeier Award for New Testament Scholarship.

(Select) Publications: Manuscripts of the Book of Revelation: New Philology, Paratexts, Reception; Son of God: Divine Sonship in Jewish and Christian Antiquity; Words Are Not Enough: Paratexts, Manuscripts, and the Real New Testament. 

Guest Links: 

https://kephalaia.com/ 

X: https://x.com/garrick_v_allen?lang=en

BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/garrickvallen.bsky.social 

Special Theme Music: Forrest Clay

X: @clay_k

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic (http://www.youtube.com/claykmusic)

Enjoy the music? Songs used on this episode were from the Recover EP You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music can be found!

This episode of The Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.org (http://www.thedeconstructionists.org/)  Go there to check out our blog, snag a pint glass, or follow us on social media! We now have a brand new webstore with faster shipping, new products, new designs, and international shipping!

All photos by Jared Hevron Logos & Designs are all created by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner

In this episode of the Deconstructionist Podcast, host John Williamson sits down with Dr. Garrick Allen to delve into his groundbreaking book, Words Are Not Enough: Paratexts, Manuscripts, and the Real New Testament. Discover the fascinating journey of how early biblical texts evolved through centuries of meticulous manual transcription, revealing the rich history behind the Gospels.

Join us as Dr. Allen shares insights from his research, exploring topics such as the early Christian manuscripts, the influence of Eusebius of Caesarea, and the significance of paratexts in shaping how we read the Bible today. Gain a deeper understanding of the Bible's transformation from ancient manuscripts to the bound volumes we know today.

Don't miss this enlightening conversation about the intricate dynamics of textual transmission and the vibrant world of biblical manuscripts.

Garrick V. Allen is professor of divinity and biblical criticism at the University of Glasgow. He has written dozens of academic articles, popular pieces, and multiple award-winning monographs, including The Book of Revelation and Early Jewish Textual Culture, which won a Manfred Lautenschlaeger Award for Theological Promise, and Manuscripts of the Book of Revelation, which won the Paul J. Achtemeier Award for New Testament Scholarship.

(Select) Publications: Manuscripts of the Book of Revelation: New Philology, Paratexts, Reception; Son of God: Divine Sonship in Jewish and Christian Antiquity; Words Are Not Enough: Paratexts, Manuscripts, and the Real New Testament. 

Guest Links: 

https://kephalaia.com/ 

X: https://x.com/garrick_v_allen?lang=en

BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/garrickvallen.bsky.social 

Special Theme Music: Forrest Clay

X: @clay_k

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic (http://www.youtube.com/claykmusic)

Enjoy the music? Songs used on this episode were from the Recover EP You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music can be found!

This episode of The Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.org (http://www.thedeconstructionists.org/)  Go there to check out our blog, snag a pint glass, or follow us on social media! We now have a brand new webstore with faster shipping, new products, new designs, and international shipping!

All photos by Jared Hevron Logos & Designs are all created by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner

Guest/Bio:

This week I welcome Nora Creech to talk about the Shroud of Turin! Nora has been interested in the Shroud of Turin since the 1970s and has extensively studied the linen cloth. As an experienced lecturer on the history, science, and pastoral implications of the Shroud, she is passionate about sharing the facts related to the mysterious image and connecting it to the Gospel message. 

Guest Links: 

www.nationalshroudofturinexhibit.org 

www.shroudeducator.com 

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos & Designs are all created by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner

Join host John Williamson in part two of an enlightening discussion with Tucker S. Furda about his new book, "Jesus and His Promised Second Coming, Jewish Eschatology and Christian Origins." Furda, an associate professor of New Testament at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, delves into the intricate topics of the Gospels, Eschatology, and early Christian beliefs.

Explore how historical figures like Paul navigated internal disagreements within the Jesus movement, and the widespread belief in Jesus's return. Furda addresses fascinating questions around the resurrection and shares insights from the Gospel narratives, particularly focusing on Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John.

Discover Furda’s perspective on the ongoing scholarly debate about New Testament sources and his argument that evidence of Jesus's second coming traces back to Jesus himself. This episode also highlights the impact of Christian anti-Judaism on historical research, inviting listeners to rethink traditional interpretations.

Engage with thoughtful insights into early Christianity, informed by Jesus's teachings and prophetic traditions. This conversation is perfect for anyone interested in history, theology, and the modern implications of ancient texts.

Guest Info/Bio:

This week we bring you a Christmas treat! This is a re-release of one of our absolute favorite guests in one of our absolute favorite interviews! This is a special Christmas episode we recorded with our dear friend Alexander Shaia back in 2017.

Dr. Alexander Shaia is an international speaker, author, and teacher. He studied cultural anthropology at Notre Dame University, and also has a PhD in Clinical Psychology. Alexander is the author of the revolutionary book, “Heart and Mind: The Four-Gospel Journey for Radical Transformation” which is now available in its 2nd Edition. Grab a copy on Amazon now! (Selected) Guest Publications: Heart and Mind: The Four-Gospel Journey for Radical Transformation Guest Website/Social

Media: www.quadratos.com 

Facebook: @walkwithheartandmind

Special guest music on this episode provided by:

Nicholas Rowe 

https://nicholasrowe.bandcamp.com www.nicholasrowemusic.com 

Twitter: @_NicholasRowe_

Facebook: @nicholasrowemusic

Instagram: @_nicholasrowe_

AND

Clay Kirchenbauer

https://claykmusic.bandcamp.com 

Twitter: @ clay_k

Facebook: @ClayKmusic

Instagram: @theclay_k

Enjoy the songs? Songs featured on this episode were: “It’s Christmastime Again, It Feels Like Christmas, & Silent Night” from the E.P. “It’s Christmastime Again” by Nicholas Rowe & Friends AND the “Telling the Story” single by Clay Kirchenbauer available everywhere music is sold! Nick and Clay’s music is available on iTunes, Spotify, BandCamp, etc. Pick up their music anywhere good music is sold!

The Deconstructionist’s Podcast is mixed and edited by John Williamson

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