I sit down with Debbie Lehrman to discuss her revealing book The Deep State Goes Viral. Debbie’s curiosity about nonsensical, harmful pandemic policies became a deep investigation into who really orchestrated the COVID-19 response and why it looked nothing like traditional public health measures.

We explore how the response was driven by the national security apparatus, with the National Security Council installing Deborah Birx as coordinator. Debbie unpacks the "lockdown until countermeasure" strategy taken from biodefense planning, redefinition of key terms associated with past pandemics, and how mRNA technology became central despite past safety failures.

Using her brilliant "Happy Birthday Town" metaphor, Debbie explains how institutions get co-opted by individuals and industries profiting from perpetual crisis and how this leads to false narratives about “pandemic preparedness”.

Essential listening for understanding what happened over the last five years and recognizing such agendas going forward.

Find Debbie Lerman:

Substack: https://debbielerman.substack.com

The Deep State Goes Viral - available on Amazon and Lulu

Brownstone Institute Articles: https://brownstone.org/author/debbie-lerman/

REPPARE (REevaluating the Pandemic Preparedness And REsponse agenda): https://brownstone.org/reppare/

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