Dr. Saran Heron talks with Dr. Kendra Thomas, an associate professor of psychology at Hope College. She earned a PhD in Educational Psychology with a focus on Human Development from Ball State University.  She studies virtue development and adolescent perceptions of justice. For the past ten years, she has collaborated with the South African non-profit, iThemba Projects, conducting pro-bono program evaluations to support their intervention development. She will talk about the difference between hope and optimism, and how you can understand mindset needed to rise above hard times!