Lester sits down with Dutch Rojas, Founder of Sano Surgery and Everyone Health, to have a candid conversation on his mission to break down barriers to care by removing copays and deductibles. The two discuss the importance of direct contracts in saving both employers and plan members money. Finally, Dutch also dispels several myths surrounding the relationship between quality and care in the industry and provides several pieces of advice to employers looking to save substantially on their health benefits plan.