On episode 116, Jamie is joined once again by the great Joe McCarthy for an extensive conversation on drumming education. Joe has developed a new educational program for drummers called "BASIC Training." As the principal percussionist for the US Naval Academy for many years, Joe's passion for teaching is undeniable and the name is so fitting. Joe is an incredible drummer and educator and he talks openly in this interview about the type of study that will make good drummers into great drummers.