From side-eye in the back row to full-on “Why are we even learning this?” moments, teaching isn’t always sunshine and perfect participation. In this lively conversation, Salli Carter and Dr. Darryn DiFrancesco tackle the realities of working with challenging students—and why those moments can be the most rewarding. They dive into meeting students where they’re at, balancing feedback with expertise, trying bold new assessment ideas (hello, graphic novels!), and building real rapport that transforms the classroom. Whether you’re in higher ed, teaching up north, or just looking for fresh engagement strategies, this episode is packed with relatable stories, practical tips, and a reminder that even the toughest class can be a teacher’s best teacher.