It's chapter 2 of The End of Policing by Alex Vitale! Collin, Al, Dylan Slye, and Gwen O'Connor, squabble for half an hour over Vitale's excellent book! 

Special thanks to Gwen; Nicole Cuddihy for her art, Andrew Harvey for the theme, and Shane Ragland for editing! When the episode was recorded, Collin was the editor, he's not trying to steal Shane's valor.