This conversation is introducing the idea of the "Enlightenment Gap" as a problem emergent to the scientific universe.  Here we define the problem as the still unresolved relation between matter and mind, and between science and society.  In short, when we enter the scientific universe the nature of mental phenomena, and the nature of social knowledge, are brought into antagonism with the nature of material phenomena, and the nature of scientific knowledge.  Today, these antagonisms are often represented in the problem of mind/body and the problem of social construction.