In this week's episode Jeremy Lent speaks with Joanna about: liology, the marriage of complexity and ancient Eastern wisdom; holding together the unity and differentiation of things; our responsibility in being part of the web of life; connectivity is the meaning;  the hypnosis of the modern consumer society; a sustainable worldview that incorporates scientific understanding and a spiritual sense of connection; the resurgence of a social, cultural and scientific movement going beyond the breakthroughs of the 60s; feeling the possibilities of our interconnectedness; kindness, the recognition and expression of our human relatedness.