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Ecclesiastes 8:1-9 Who is like the wise?
And who knows the interpretation of a thing?
A man’s wisdom makes his face shine,
and the hardness of his face is changed.
2 I say: Keep the king’s command, because of God’s oath to him. 3 Be not hasty to go from his presence. Do not take your stand in an evil cause, for he does whatever he pleases. 4 For the word of the king is supreme, and who may say to him, “What are you doing?” 5 Whoever keeps a command will know no evil thing, and the wise heart will know the proper time and the just way. 6 For there is a time and a way for everything, although man’s trouble lies heavy on him. 7 For he does not know what is to be, for who can tell him how it will be? 8 No man has power to retain the spirit, or power over the day of death. There is no discharge from war, nor will wickedness deliver those who are given to it. 9 All this I observed while applying my heart to all that is done under the sun, when man had power over man to his hurt.
On the other side of our family vacation, it’s no small kindness of God that I’m able to truthfully say what I’ve been able to say every time: It was good to be gone and it’s good to be back.
I’m thankful for Pastor Colin’s sermon on Romans 8 and Mark’s sermon on 2 Samuel 1. We were back in time to discuss Mark’s in our DG last week. It was especially sweet to hear people interact with David’s refusal to take the throne by force, David’s esteem of the Lord’s anointed, and Mark’s applications. Well done, men.
In addition, we were encouraged to worship with Pastor Daniel and Molly in Michigan and at Daniel’s college church last Sunday. There are some really good churches out there and we praise God for that. It’s sweet to be able to sing familiar songs and hear God’s Word preached with brothers and sisters in Christ around the country. But it’s even sweeter to do so with you all today. This, not that, is God’s design for our primary spiritual nourishment. It was good to be gone and it’s good to be back.
With that, welcome back to Ecclesiastes. We’re in the back half of the book. Seven chapters down, five to go.
Chapter eight is a good reminder of the fact that Ecclesiastes is structured kind of like a slinky. The Preacher addresses many of the same basic topics, coming back around and around and around, moving slightly forward each time. It is in many ways the repetition that gives Ecclesiastes its power in that it helps us to see more clearly the things that really matter for life under the sun.
In the case of our passage for today, the Preacher returned to the most familiar theme of the book (wisdom) and a less familiar, but still critical one (leadership and authority). The big idea and applications of this sermon are that because under the sun wisdom has real benefits and rulers have real power, living well in this world means seeking wisdom and submitting wisely and humbly to God-given authority.
Ecclesiastes 8:1 functions as a transition between the Preacher’s thoughts on the benefits and limitations of wisdom that marked the previous section (7:19-29) and his thoughts on the specific wisdom needed to live under the rule of a not-always-godly king.
In short, 8:1 is another poetic expression of the goodness of wisdom. In 1a the Preacher asks, “Who is like the wise?” The implied answer is, “No one.” The wise stand alone. But from that we’re right to wonder, “How so”? In what ways are the wise unique among mankind? The Preacher declares that the wise stand out in two particular ways.
Again, the Preacher was certainly not naïve to the limits of under the sun wisdom (he literally wrote the book on it), but that is not to say that kind of wisdom was without significant benefit.
Grace, once again, seek genuine wisdom in all its forms. Seek to understand the world as it truly is, that you might live in it as it truly is.
Rather than simply leave it at that, let me briefly offer six practical suggestions for gaining wisdom.
As you get wisdom, the Preacher observed, you will stand alone, you will grow to understand the things you experience, your face will be changed from false confidence or appropriate frustration to one that shines with understanding and clarity, and you will be able to live in this world increasingly as God designed and intends.
That leads to the next and main section of our passage for this morning. In it, the Preacher addresses the power of a king and its under the sun implications for his subjects. In short, the Preacher’s message is this: Living under authority, especially the authority of a less-than-godly sovereign king, requires significant wisdom.
There are certainly implications of this section for us today (more on that in a bit), but the initial context was something largely foreign to us. We have no real concept of an earthly sovereign. The only king that is familiar to most of us (The King of England), is primarily a figurehead. He as very little real power.
In the time of Ecclesiastes, however, things were different. A king’s word was the law of the land. One man truly ruled his people directly and completely.
Of course, living under this kind of authority/leadership was greatly affected by the righteousness and justice of the king. Aware of this, the Preacher shared a measure of wisdom largely aimed at living under an unjust, or at least fickle, king. So, how does he suggest his readers go about that?
The Preacher’s initial charge was to obey. If you are under a king, do what he says. Keep his commands. That’s the simple heart of the beginning of v.2.
2 I say: Keep the king’s command…
Again, the Preacher’s first straight-forward admonition was that wisdom calls for obedience to those in authority.
More than mere obedience, however, the Preacher’s wisdom calls for respectful obedience. We’re not merely to obey, but to do so with the respect toward the one in authority over us.
Wisdom looks for ways to demonstrate this in our interactions with the king. One such example is found in v.3.
3 Be not hasty to go from his presence…
To be granted an audience into the king’s presence was a big deal. It was not to be taken lightly. The Book of Esther helps paint a remarkable picture of this. Esther knew that by asking for (rather than being summoned to) an audience with the king (even her own husband) meant putting her life at risk.
In the same way, leaving the king’s presence must be granted as well. Just as no one walked into the king’s presence uninvited, neither ought anyone walk out of it undismissed. The Preacher noted that if royal subjects want to keep their heads, they will show the kind of respect that waits to be allowed in and waits to be released.
The same basic idea is found at the end of v.4, “… who may say to him, “What are you doing?” In other words, the Preacher taught that wisdom calls for respect and respect (ordinarily) does not question the king’s kinging.
At the same time, the Preacher was not unaware of the fact that kings were/are not perfect in their character. And the Preacher, therefore, was not unaware of the fact that there are times in which kings must be disobeyed. Once again, I’ll say more on this later, but for now the third thing to see is that disobedience is a serious thing, likely with serious consequences, and, therefore, it is unwise to disobey for wicked purposes.
3 …Do not take your stand in an evil cause…
It’s one thing to be made to suffer for disobedience in a righteous matter, but it’s something entirely different to do so for an evil one. Wisdom knows and the Preacher charged that if you must disobey, you must make sure it’s for a worthy cause (which evil never is).
Obey the king, do so respectfully, and disobey (if you absolutely must) carefully. Those are serious matters. With good kings, this is clearly right (even if difficult at times), but with a bad king these things are quite a bit more complicated and challenging.
Helpfully, the Preacher grounds his charges in three specific ways. He not only asserts those things, but gives a bit of explanation for them as well. And if you’re anything like me, you know that it’s a lot easier to act wisely when we understand the wisdom.
In a great summary statement, the second half of v.5 and the first half of v.6 bring us back to the fact that it takes great wisdom to discern the right time and place for all of this.
5 … the wise heart will know the proper time and the just way. 6 For there is a time and a way for everything…
We need wisdom to know what kind of king we serve. We need wisdom to know when and how to obey and disobey. We need wisdom to know how to respect the king properly. We need wisdom to know how the king’s rule relates to God’s rule. And the Preacher provides significant wisdom for us in each of these things.
The simple message of the rest of the body of this passage (6b-8) is this: We are all limited in our wisdom and our life. Therefore, none of us can make perfect sense of things, control our lives, or stop our deaths.
6 … man’s trouble lies heavy on him. 7 For he does not know what is to be, for who can tell him how it will be? 8 No man has power to retain the spirit, or power over the day of death. There is no discharge from war, nor will wickedness deliver those who are given to it.
It’s a hard pill to swallow to know for certain that you don’t know for certain what’s next, that no one on earth is wise enough to tell you, that you have very little control over when you’ll die, and that you have absolutely no control over the fact that you will die (whether in war or peace, whether in righteousness or wickedness).
There is a sobering humility in this knowledge and that humble sobriety ought to go with us into every encounter with the authorities God has placed over us.
Grace, now’s a good time to remind you that this is, for the most part, under the sun wisdom. The Preacher was inspired by God, but not primarily to share God’s full perspective on how God means His faithful followers to respond to godless leaders for His glory. The Preacher was simply offering practical tips on how to survive in a kingdom with a king who may or may not fear God. In that way, much of what the Preacher wrote is less about virtue and more about survival. It’s less about what’s ultimately best and more about what immediately works.
The Preacher was honest about all of that, which is largely the point of his concluding thoughts in v.9.
9 All this I observed while applying my heart to all that is done under the sun, when man had power over man to his hurt.
If you’ve been paying attention up to this point, and I’m sure you all have, it’s highly likely that you have at least two big, glaring questions: What does all of this mean for us in the way of obedience to the non-king authorities in our lives and is it ever appropriate to disobey them?
In order to help us build on and live out the wisdom of introduced in Ecclesiastes 8:1-9 and expanded on in the rest of God’s Word, I want to share a bit more of the Bible’s wisdom on legitimate authority and legitimate disobedience to it.
The heart of the Bible’s teaching (above the sun wisdom) on legitimate authority includes three principles.
Anyone who has ever pressed the principles we just considered up against real life, ought to be at least somewhat concerned. Anyone who has read the Bible’s description of man’s use of his God-given authority ought to be concerned (including our passage for this morning). Indeed, anyone who has lived under any authority for any time ought to be concerned.
Even in the clearest examples of delegated authority (where there is no question that someone has authority from God), God has delegated it to people with corrupted natures. In v.9, the Preacher observed that corrupted men, illegitimately using legitimate authority often do so to the hurt of others.
We’re right to wonder, then, if there are limits to the obedience we’re supposed to render to those we’re commanded by God to obey. Are there times when God expects us to disobey those with His delegated authority? Is it ever right, and if so, when, for citizens to disobey their governments, for members to disobey their pastors, for wives to disobey their husbands, and for kids to disobey their parents?
The short answer is “Yes.” But let me offer four critical biblical principles to keep in mind as we consider when and how.
Grace, in all of this, we see the goodness of God. He has always used good and bad leaders to grow His people in grace. With good rulers, we see shadows of God’s good rule that we might long for more of Him. And with bad rulers, God helps us to see that He alone is good and to recognize our dependence on Him.
In conclusion, I imagine all of that probably sounds true to the ear, a bit discouraging, and a bit overwhelming. If that’s all we had, that’d be pretty rough. But, as you know, Grace, that’s not all we have. God’s Word gives us a fuller wisdom still.
Everything we’ve covered is meant to create a longing for the One True King, Jesus Christ. He alone has all authority, is never wrong, is filled with love, never gives selfish, evil, or otherwise imperfect commands, and always has the best interest of His subjects in mind. He alone possesses perfect wisdom to know what is best, perfect goodness to want to carry it out, and perfect power to do so.
Even more significantly, Jesus, the One True King alone gave His life as a ransom for His people. He alone is sufficient to atone for our treason against Him and restore us to places of fellowship and peace in His kingdom.
May God grant every earthly leader a heart that longs to lead as one under King Jesus. May God grant us all the desire to come under our earthly leaders as we do Christ. And may all of this create in us a longing for the Kingdom to fully come and God’s will to be fully done on earth as it is in heaven.
By Grace Evangelical Free Church // Wyoming, MNEcclesiastes 8:1-9 Who is like the wise?
And who knows the interpretation of a thing?
A man’s wisdom makes his face shine,
and the hardness of his face is changed.
2 I say: Keep the king’s command, because of God’s oath to him. 3 Be not hasty to go from his presence. Do not take your stand in an evil cause, for he does whatever he pleases. 4 For the word of the king is supreme, and who may say to him, “What are you doing?” 5 Whoever keeps a command will know no evil thing, and the wise heart will know the proper time and the just way. 6 For there is a time and a way for everything, although man’s trouble lies heavy on him. 7 For he does not know what is to be, for who can tell him how it will be? 8 No man has power to retain the spirit, or power over the day of death. There is no discharge from war, nor will wickedness deliver those who are given to it. 9 All this I observed while applying my heart to all that is done under the sun, when man had power over man to his hurt.
On the other side of our family vacation, it’s no small kindness of God that I’m able to truthfully say what I’ve been able to say every time: It was good to be gone and it’s good to be back.
I’m thankful for Pastor Colin’s sermon on Romans 8 and Mark’s sermon on 2 Samuel 1. We were back in time to discuss Mark’s in our DG last week. It was especially sweet to hear people interact with David’s refusal to take the throne by force, David’s esteem of the Lord’s anointed, and Mark’s applications. Well done, men.
In addition, we were encouraged to worship with Pastor Daniel and Molly in Michigan and at Daniel’s college church last Sunday. There are some really good churches out there and we praise God for that. It’s sweet to be able to sing familiar songs and hear God’s Word preached with brothers and sisters in Christ around the country. But it’s even sweeter to do so with you all today. This, not that, is God’s design for our primary spiritual nourishment. It was good to be gone and it’s good to be back.
With that, welcome back to Ecclesiastes. We’re in the back half of the book. Seven chapters down, five to go.
Chapter eight is a good reminder of the fact that Ecclesiastes is structured kind of like a slinky. The Preacher addresses many of the same basic topics, coming back around and around and around, moving slightly forward each time. It is in many ways the repetition that gives Ecclesiastes its power in that it helps us to see more clearly the things that really matter for life under the sun.
In the case of our passage for today, the Preacher returned to the most familiar theme of the book (wisdom) and a less familiar, but still critical one (leadership and authority). The big idea and applications of this sermon are that because under the sun wisdom has real benefits and rulers have real power, living well in this world means seeking wisdom and submitting wisely and humbly to God-given authority.
Ecclesiastes 8:1 functions as a transition between the Preacher’s thoughts on the benefits and limitations of wisdom that marked the previous section (7:19-29) and his thoughts on the specific wisdom needed to live under the rule of a not-always-godly king.
In short, 8:1 is another poetic expression of the goodness of wisdom. In 1a the Preacher asks, “Who is like the wise?” The implied answer is, “No one.” The wise stand alone. But from that we’re right to wonder, “How so”? In what ways are the wise unique among mankind? The Preacher declares that the wise stand out in two particular ways.
Again, the Preacher was certainly not naïve to the limits of under the sun wisdom (he literally wrote the book on it), but that is not to say that kind of wisdom was without significant benefit.
Grace, once again, seek genuine wisdom in all its forms. Seek to understand the world as it truly is, that you might live in it as it truly is.
Rather than simply leave it at that, let me briefly offer six practical suggestions for gaining wisdom.
As you get wisdom, the Preacher observed, you will stand alone, you will grow to understand the things you experience, your face will be changed from false confidence or appropriate frustration to one that shines with understanding and clarity, and you will be able to live in this world increasingly as God designed and intends.
That leads to the next and main section of our passage for this morning. In it, the Preacher addresses the power of a king and its under the sun implications for his subjects. In short, the Preacher’s message is this: Living under authority, especially the authority of a less-than-godly sovereign king, requires significant wisdom.
There are certainly implications of this section for us today (more on that in a bit), but the initial context was something largely foreign to us. We have no real concept of an earthly sovereign. The only king that is familiar to most of us (The King of England), is primarily a figurehead. He as very little real power.
In the time of Ecclesiastes, however, things were different. A king’s word was the law of the land. One man truly ruled his people directly and completely.
Of course, living under this kind of authority/leadership was greatly affected by the righteousness and justice of the king. Aware of this, the Preacher shared a measure of wisdom largely aimed at living under an unjust, or at least fickle, king. So, how does he suggest his readers go about that?
The Preacher’s initial charge was to obey. If you are under a king, do what he says. Keep his commands. That’s the simple heart of the beginning of v.2.
2 I say: Keep the king’s command…
Again, the Preacher’s first straight-forward admonition was that wisdom calls for obedience to those in authority.
More than mere obedience, however, the Preacher’s wisdom calls for respectful obedience. We’re not merely to obey, but to do so with the respect toward the one in authority over us.
Wisdom looks for ways to demonstrate this in our interactions with the king. One such example is found in v.3.
3 Be not hasty to go from his presence…
To be granted an audience into the king’s presence was a big deal. It was not to be taken lightly. The Book of Esther helps paint a remarkable picture of this. Esther knew that by asking for (rather than being summoned to) an audience with the king (even her own husband) meant putting her life at risk.
In the same way, leaving the king’s presence must be granted as well. Just as no one walked into the king’s presence uninvited, neither ought anyone walk out of it undismissed. The Preacher noted that if royal subjects want to keep their heads, they will show the kind of respect that waits to be allowed in and waits to be released.
The same basic idea is found at the end of v.4, “… who may say to him, “What are you doing?” In other words, the Preacher taught that wisdom calls for respect and respect (ordinarily) does not question the king’s kinging.
At the same time, the Preacher was not unaware of the fact that kings were/are not perfect in their character. And the Preacher, therefore, was not unaware of the fact that there are times in which kings must be disobeyed. Once again, I’ll say more on this later, but for now the third thing to see is that disobedience is a serious thing, likely with serious consequences, and, therefore, it is unwise to disobey for wicked purposes.
3 …Do not take your stand in an evil cause…
It’s one thing to be made to suffer for disobedience in a righteous matter, but it’s something entirely different to do so for an evil one. Wisdom knows and the Preacher charged that if you must disobey, you must make sure it’s for a worthy cause (which evil never is).
Obey the king, do so respectfully, and disobey (if you absolutely must) carefully. Those are serious matters. With good kings, this is clearly right (even if difficult at times), but with a bad king these things are quite a bit more complicated and challenging.
Helpfully, the Preacher grounds his charges in three specific ways. He not only asserts those things, but gives a bit of explanation for them as well. And if you’re anything like me, you know that it’s a lot easier to act wisely when we understand the wisdom.
In a great summary statement, the second half of v.5 and the first half of v.6 bring us back to the fact that it takes great wisdom to discern the right time and place for all of this.
5 … the wise heart will know the proper time and the just way. 6 For there is a time and a way for everything…
We need wisdom to know what kind of king we serve. We need wisdom to know when and how to obey and disobey. We need wisdom to know how to respect the king properly. We need wisdom to know how the king’s rule relates to God’s rule. And the Preacher provides significant wisdom for us in each of these things.
The simple message of the rest of the body of this passage (6b-8) is this: We are all limited in our wisdom and our life. Therefore, none of us can make perfect sense of things, control our lives, or stop our deaths.
6 … man’s trouble lies heavy on him. 7 For he does not know what is to be, for who can tell him how it will be? 8 No man has power to retain the spirit, or power over the day of death. There is no discharge from war, nor will wickedness deliver those who are given to it.
It’s a hard pill to swallow to know for certain that you don’t know for certain what’s next, that no one on earth is wise enough to tell you, that you have very little control over when you’ll die, and that you have absolutely no control over the fact that you will die (whether in war or peace, whether in righteousness or wickedness).
There is a sobering humility in this knowledge and that humble sobriety ought to go with us into every encounter with the authorities God has placed over us.
Grace, now’s a good time to remind you that this is, for the most part, under the sun wisdom. The Preacher was inspired by God, but not primarily to share God’s full perspective on how God means His faithful followers to respond to godless leaders for His glory. The Preacher was simply offering practical tips on how to survive in a kingdom with a king who may or may not fear God. In that way, much of what the Preacher wrote is less about virtue and more about survival. It’s less about what’s ultimately best and more about what immediately works.
The Preacher was honest about all of that, which is largely the point of his concluding thoughts in v.9.
9 All this I observed while applying my heart to all that is done under the sun, when man had power over man to his hurt.
If you’ve been paying attention up to this point, and I’m sure you all have, it’s highly likely that you have at least two big, glaring questions: What does all of this mean for us in the way of obedience to the non-king authorities in our lives and is it ever appropriate to disobey them?
In order to help us build on and live out the wisdom of introduced in Ecclesiastes 8:1-9 and expanded on in the rest of God’s Word, I want to share a bit more of the Bible’s wisdom on legitimate authority and legitimate disobedience to it.
The heart of the Bible’s teaching (above the sun wisdom) on legitimate authority includes three principles.
Anyone who has ever pressed the principles we just considered up against real life, ought to be at least somewhat concerned. Anyone who has read the Bible’s description of man’s use of his God-given authority ought to be concerned (including our passage for this morning). Indeed, anyone who has lived under any authority for any time ought to be concerned.
Even in the clearest examples of delegated authority (where there is no question that someone has authority from God), God has delegated it to people with corrupted natures. In v.9, the Preacher observed that corrupted men, illegitimately using legitimate authority often do so to the hurt of others.
We’re right to wonder, then, if there are limits to the obedience we’re supposed to render to those we’re commanded by God to obey. Are there times when God expects us to disobey those with His delegated authority? Is it ever right, and if so, when, for citizens to disobey their governments, for members to disobey their pastors, for wives to disobey their husbands, and for kids to disobey their parents?
The short answer is “Yes.” But let me offer four critical biblical principles to keep in mind as we consider when and how.
Grace, in all of this, we see the goodness of God. He has always used good and bad leaders to grow His people in grace. With good rulers, we see shadows of God’s good rule that we might long for more of Him. And with bad rulers, God helps us to see that He alone is good and to recognize our dependence on Him.
In conclusion, I imagine all of that probably sounds true to the ear, a bit discouraging, and a bit overwhelming. If that’s all we had, that’d be pretty rough. But, as you know, Grace, that’s not all we have. God’s Word gives us a fuller wisdom still.
Everything we’ve covered is meant to create a longing for the One True King, Jesus Christ. He alone has all authority, is never wrong, is filled with love, never gives selfish, evil, or otherwise imperfect commands, and always has the best interest of His subjects in mind. He alone possesses perfect wisdom to know what is best, perfect goodness to want to carry it out, and perfect power to do so.
Even more significantly, Jesus, the One True King alone gave His life as a ransom for His people. He alone is sufficient to atone for our treason against Him and restore us to places of fellowship and peace in His kingdom.
May God grant every earthly leader a heart that longs to lead as one under King Jesus. May God grant us all the desire to come under our earthly leaders as we do Christ. And may all of this create in us a longing for the Kingdom to fully come and God’s will to be fully done on earth as it is in heaven.