Marvel steps outside the MCU with the debut of their first family in The Fantastic Four: First Steps and Kneel Before Pod hops in a rocket ship to break it down. The conversation covers skipping origins, benevolent fascism and who gets a flying car.

Craig McKenzie can be found on this very site and over on We Are Starfleet on the Film Stories podcast network. Chris Mackrell can also be found on a Sunday between 12 and 2pm GMT live on Black Diamond FM and periodically on Lave Radio.

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