During a conference last week in Texas, Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines, said in her remarks that over-classification is a problem that "undermines critical democratic objectives." Her comments come as two special counsels have been assigned by the Justice Department to examine the mishandling of classified documents by President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump.

GovExec reporter Courtney Bublé is covering the classification story and Haines' comments regarding classification. She joined the podcast to talk about document management.

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