Fernanda is joined by friend and colleague, The Athletic’s Ben Fowlkes, to talk about how he got involved in MMA journalism, covering the early days of the sport, dealing with public criticism and feedback, his piece in The Athletic, “The night they got their ass kicked — and the long days that followed”, being able to “put on the white belt” in order to become a more well-rounded person, the inner conflict of covering a sport like mixed martial arts, click-baity content, The Tostines Dilemma, and much more.

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