Episode 8 - Recorded 4/23/2025

This talk attempts to trace the mystery of God's fire and light, how resistance creates heat, how Christ's eyes of fire in Revelation burn away what cannot last, and how love flows when we stop resisting. Along the way, they explore Paul's possibly misunderstood words on "submission," the difference between Hebrew's concrete poetry and Greek abstraction, and how our language has shaped both faith and confusion.

They also reflect on A.T. Still and the birth of osteopathy, the innate wisdom of the body, and the danger of losing faith and healing to pure reductionism. Topics arise like Henrietta Lacks, and the humility to admit what we don't know, wrestling with theodicy, faulty assumptions about suffering, and the truth that the world is wonderful and made terrible only by human choices.

The conversation keeps circling back to love as light: unseen, yet the very thing that lets us see. Healing isn't something we send but something we rest in, letting God's presence do what only it can.