Haha, oh man this week’s Got It Podcast episode, “The Flex of Vulnerability,” might be one of the funniest and most unexpectedly deep ones yet.

Pat came in ready to dig into the real stuff emotional transparency, letting your guard down, and how men especially struggle with showing softness without feeling weak. But Mario? He was gone. Every time Pat tried to make a serious point, Mario lost it laughing so hard he could barely breathe. The man was on another level of joy

Turns out, before the recording, Mario apparently with a side of espresso (never a good combo before deep talk ). Between the caffeine and the heat, his energy was bouncing off the studio walls and the more serious Pat got, the funnier it all became.

Still, through the laughter, they hit something real: vulnerability doesn’t have to be heavy or somber. Sometimes the bravest thing is to laugh when life tries to make you clench up.