Richard Grossinger speaks with Joanna about: there are ranges of knowledge that cannot be included in science; the politicization and ideologization of science, experience and spiritual freedom; physical reality and conscious reality simultaneously create each other; the fluidity of reality; “the ecological problem is a problem of consciousness”; deeper than trauma; doing the work to match the Mystery; the magnifying glass of this crisis; the archetypal element of the DNA; the spiraling of all the dimensions together; alchemy is coming back into the language of climate change.

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