Ray is a religious trauma survivor and Kim is an ordained pastor in the ELCA. This is the third part of them talking about the first several pages of the Promise to America in the plan 2025 put forth by the Heritage Foundation. Both are concerned that the plan 2025, if enacted, would continue the trauma of religious trauma survivors and would limit freedom for LGBTQ+ people, minorities, and religious groups that do not support Christian Nationalism. 

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