In this sit-down conversation, John and Matt meditate on the Holy Family and the miracle of Christ's birth while touching upon the historical records, depictions in media, theological debates, and societal zeitgeists that reframe and often challenge the surviving records of the story of the birth of Jesus.

Chapters:

00:09 - INTRO

03:04 - CHRISTMAS MYTHS AND SYMBOLS IN LITERATURE, NARNIA

09:53 - THE REALITY OF THE CHRISTMAS STORY AS RECORDED

14:29 - ON THE RECENT FILM, 'HERETIC'

24:01 - EARLY FORESHADOWING OF AND YEARNING FOR THE COMING OF CHRIST

39:56 - A HISTORICAL READING OF THE BIBLE - WHY IS THIS OFTEN CHALLENGED?

54:37 - WHERE DOES THE CHRISTMAS STORY MAKE SURPRISING APPEARANCES IN OUR LIVES?

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