Rod and Kale engage in a conversation about the manifestations of the dark hearts of our culture. They discuss the repugnant ideas that result from a curated discussion about real things. The demons of white supremacy reemerge in the wake of the race essentialism ideology these past few years, along with other hauntings.   What happens when you are not free to talk out loud? Can we step back from the darkness?   Topics: -Thomas Achord affair and so-called confession -Broken cultures and a broken political discourse -Rocket Man bad -Ketman and Robin Keller and another zoom call from hell -Douglas Wilson and bold conversation vs the soft, fuzzy, bougie chatter -Malcolm X and the move to moderation and maturity -Balenciaga ad campaign to sexualize children -Radical evil is real and all around us -Santa Muerte and the pattern of breakdown -Louise Perry's masterpiece