In this episode, we speak to Dr. Martin Shaw from IBEI (Institut Barcelona d'Estudis Internacionals) about his career as a genocide scholar and sociologist and his thoughts on what the Gaza genocide means for the international order.

You can read his whole piece, "The Genocide That Changed The World" at this link: https://doi.org/10.1080/14623528.2025.2556575

To find Martin's newest book, 'The New Age of Genocide,' you can visit his website: https://martinshaw.org/about/

Books recommended by Dr. Shaw:

• Ordinary Men by Christopher R. Browning
• The Dark Side of Democracy by Michael Mann