In this episode of the German Innovators Podcast, host Johannes P. Lehmann speaks with Dr. Anna-Sophie Jürgens from the Australian National University about how science, technology and innovation are shaped not only in laboratories, startups, boardrooms and policy circles — but also through film, comics, humour, popular culture and the stories societies tell about the future.
Anna-Sophie is the founder of POPSICULE, the Science in Popular Culture and Entertainment Hub at ANU, based within the Australian National Centre for the Public Awareness of Science. Her work explores how popular culture influences the way society imagines science, risk, responsibility and possibility.
Together, we discuss why stories like Jurassic Park, The Last of Us, The Walking Dead, Terminator and Ex Machina have become powerful cultural reference points for biotechnology, pandemics, AI and innovation risk — and why these narratives matter far beyond entertainment.
The conversation also explores how Australia could develop a more distinct science and technology storytelling voice: one that moves beyond Silicon Valley disruption, Hollywood techno-apocalypse and lone genius founders, and instead draws on Australia’s landscapes, environmental pressures, First Nations knowledge systems, public science institutions, humour, care, adaptation and coexistence.
We also dive into the role of humour as a diagnostic tool for understanding society’s relationship with science — from mad scientists and clowns to comic parasites, bureaucracy, Canberra, Mad Max and the strange cultural worlds where science becomes funny, unsettling and deeply revealing.
Timestamps:
00:00 — Intro
00:14 — Innovation, Storytelling & Science Communication
01:39 — Popsicle: Bridging Science and Pop Culture
05:40 — How Pop Culture Shapes Scientific Narratives
10:48 — Narrative Design: Tools for Screenwriters
17:28 — Policy, Regulation & Australian Content Creation
21:04 — Indigenous Knowledge and Environmental Storytelling
23:17 — The Role of Humour in Science Communication
26:14 — Cultural Perspectives: Europe vs Australia
31:12 — The Future of Popsicle
38:31 — Outro