The Girl that Wasn't Supposed to be Famous (Ep 438 - Karel/Barbra Streisand)

My guest this week is Karel Bouley. Back in the 90s, Karel and his partner Andrew Howard were the first openly queer couple to host a major market drive time radio show in the US. And after Andrew unexpectedly passed away in the early 2000s, Karel helped change California laws around suing for wrongful death. For leaving a mark in those and many other ways, the city of Long Beach will recognize the couple with a ceremony next week, adding them to the local wall of fame in Harvey Milk Plaza. I talked to Karel about his inspirations, getting into radio, and how Barbra Streisand gave him something to aspire to.

We’ll have that conversation in a minute. 

First, a couple quick reminders, starting with a heads-up that my new video about Psycho and the creation of Norman Bates  is now live — check that out on my YouTube channel. Also, I hope you’ll join me for weekly livestreams over on Twitch every Sunday afternoon at twitch.tv/mattbaume. We just did a watch-along of some excellent episodes of Alfred Hitchcock Presents, and we’ll be enjoying some very gay Halloween specials this weekend.

And if you haven’t yet, take a look at my new book about the history of queer characters on sitcoms, Hi Honey, I’m Homo! — available now wherever books are sold. Go to gaysitcoms.com for details. You can even get a signed, personalized copy … which might make a nice holiday gift, if you’re the kind of person who likes getting your shopping done early.

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