Dickon Pinner, co-leader of McKinsey Sustainability, joins the podcast again to chat with Steve about his experience at COP26 as well as fallout from the negotiated Glasgow Climate Pact. They have a deep and wide-ranging conversation about climate finance, the role the private sector will need to play, net-zero commitments from finance institutions, the $100 billion international commitment, phasing out coal power, carbon markets and why Dickon believes we are living in a time that matters.