This week Jeff and Andre interview David Hayward also know as the NakedPastor. After 30 years in the church, he left the ministry to pursue his passion for art. Naked Pastor uses words and images to challenge the status quo, deconstruct dogma, and offer hope for those who struggle and suffer under it. He's the author of "Til Doubt Do Us Part: When Changing Beliefs Change Your Marriage." Listen up for three things in this episode: Couples skate, investing in your marriage, and elasticity.