Essayist and poet Alice Gribbin joins me to discuss her recent essay in Tablet, "The Great Debasement," on the ideological transformation of museums and other cultural institutions into propaganda organs; the utilitarian attitude to art; the continued relevance of John Berger's "Ways of Seeing"; and more.

https://substack.com/profile/5192682-alice-gribbin

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/great-debasement-art

https://quillette.com/2021/06/05/the-artist-and-the-censor/