Summary

In this conversation, Matt and Hayne discuss various topics including their personal lives, parenting, faith, and their experiences with religion. Hayne shares his background growing up in a conservative Southern Baptist home and his journey into faith and the Presbyterian Church of America (PCA). They also touch on the influence of Christian nationalism and the cult-like aspects of certain religious groups. Hayne shares his journey of deconstruction and reconstruction in his faith, starting with his experience as a firefighter and his exposure to suffering. He began questioning the theology he had been taught and started exploring alternative perspectives. He delved into books by authors like Greg Boyd, Thomas Merton, Richard Rohr, and Pete Enns, which helped shape his evolving beliefs. Hayne also discusses his experience attending an Episcopal church and the significance of the Eucharist in his spiritual journey. In this final part of the conversation, Hayne shares his journey of reconstruction and his evolving beliefs. He discusses his experience with an Episcopal church and how it helped him soften and embrace grace. Hayne also talks about his wife's diagnosis with stage four metastatic breast cancer and how it has shaped his beliefs. He describes himself as more agnostic than ever and explores the idea of healthy spirituality being a combination of great psychology and religion. Hayne emphasizes the importance of treating others with love and compassion, especially the marginalized and the least of these

Takeaways

* Hayne shares his experience growing up in a conservative Southern Baptist home and his journey into faith

* They discuss the influence of Christian nationalism and the cult-like aspects of certain religious groups

* Hayne emphasizes the importance of spending time with his children and having open conversations about social issues

* Matt and Hayne reflect on their experiences with religion and the impact it has had on their lives Exposure to suffering can lead to questioning and reevaluating one's beliefs

* Exploring alternative perspectives and reading books by different authors can help shape one's evolving beliefs

* Attending a different church or religious community can provide new insights and experiences

* The Eucharist can be a significant practice in one's spiritual journey The journey of reconstruction involves moving from construction to deconstruction and then to reconstruction, and it is necessary for personal growth.

* Experiencing grace and love from others can soften our hearts and lead us to embrace healthier beliefs.

* Facing a life-threatening illness can challenge our beliefs and lead us to question the nature of God and faith.

* Healthy spirituality can be a combination of great psychology and religion, focusing on love, compassion, and caring for the marginalized.

* Treating others with love and compassion, especially the least of these, is a central teaching of Jesus and an important aspect of living a meaningful life.

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Today I’m joined by Jamin Coller, author of Finding God Despite Religion and Almost a Cult. Jamin discusses the trials and tribulations of being a PK (Pastor’s Kid) who has left the fold. Jamin is a piano teacher and former worship leader, former camp counselor at a Christian camp, and left his parent’s church in 2020 - and now has no contact with his family.

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On Today’s episode of The Great Deconstruction podcast I’m joined by Dr. Miguel De La Torre; Professor of Social Ethics and Latinx Studies at the Iliff School of Theology in Denver, Colorado.  2012 President of the Society of Christian Ethics and Executive Officer for the Society of Race, Ethnicity and Religion (2012-17). Dr. De La Torre is a recognized international Fulbright scholar who has taught courses at the Cuernavaca Center for Intercultural Dialogue on Development (Mexico), Indonesian Consortium for Religious Studies (Indonesia), University of Johannesburg (South Africa), Johannes Gutenberg University (Germany). Additionally, he has lectured at Universidad Bíblica Latinoamericana (Costa Rica), The Association for Theological Education in South East Asia (Thailand) and the Council of World Mission (Mexico and Taiwan). Advocating for an ethics of place, De La Torre has taken students on immersion classes to Cuba, Guatemala, the Peruvian Amazon, and the Mexico/U.S. border to walk the migrant trails. Among multiple yearly speaking engagements, he has also been a week-long speaker at the Chautauqua Institute, and the plenary address at the Parliament of World Religions. De La Torre has received several national book awards and is a frequent speaker at national and international scholarly religious events and meetings. He also speaks at churches and nonprofit organizations on the intersection of religion with race, class,  gender, and sexuality . In 2020, the American Academy of Religion bestowed on him the Excellence in Teaching Award. The following year, 2021, the American Academy also conferred upon him the Martin E. Marty Public Understanding of Religion Award. De La Torre is the first scholar to receive the two most prestigious awards presented by his guild and the first Latinx to receive either one of them. 

Dr. De La Torre joins us today to discuss his new book Resisting Apartheid America: Living the Badass GospelResisting Apartheid America assesses the past and present threads of systemic racism in American politics, from Plymouth Rock to the Capitol on January 6. Sweeping and unsparing in his critique, De La Torre takes on authors revered in Christian theology, including Paul, Augustine, and heroes of the Reformation, aiming to uproot the ideological foundations of racism in Christianity. Following these through lines of oppression, he warns of a decline in democracy and rise in political violence—but equips us with the nonviolent ethical framework to resist this bleak future. Resisting Apartheid America is a clarion call to Christians to remake America in the image of the God of liberation.

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Today’s guest is the one and only David Hayward, also known as The Naked Pastor. David is a former pastor and now full time artist who’s cartoons have been seen all over the world because of their often poignant yet simple messages. David has been someone I call a friend since 2010 and I’ve been a member of The Lasting Supper community since day one. We talk about coining the term Deconstruction, from which we get the title of this show, leaving the ministry, and dealing with the fallout of deconstruction for those in the ministry. David’s Links: nakedpastor.com/Insta/Facebook/Twitter/The Lasting SupperSupport the The Great Deconstruction and join the conversation on SubstackLeave a review to help the show out: Spotify| Itunes

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Today we’re joined by Joe Quigley - son of two missionaries in Guatemala who were also Wycliffe Bible Translators, as he details his early life and eventual deconstruction. Joe’s Bio:”Software engineering consultant who grew up in Latin America as a sheltered missionary kid with Bible-translator parents, baptized at age 6, went to a Christian college, got married, had kids, did everything right, and found himself rapidly and violently deconstructing over the course of two years after holding it back for over a decade. The 2012 and 2016 elections laid the groundwork for 2020 when he realized that his faith community didn’t share (or uphold) the values they taught him as a child.

After spending well over 500 hours listening to podcasts and reading books by evangelical and non-evangelical theologians, and Christian scientists and historians he finally found the words and context to put his cognitive dissonance to rest.”

Joe’s Social Media and blogs can be found at Quigs.Link

Books and Podcasts mentioned in the show:The Sin of Certainty: Why God Desires Our Trust More Than Our Correct Beliefs by Peter Enns

The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion by Jonathan Haidt

Why I Believed: Reflections of a Former Missionary by Kenneth W Daniels

The Evangelical Universalist by Gregory MacDonald 

Dr. Michael Heiser and the Naked Bible Podcast

An evangelical biblical scholar who is an expert in biblical Hebrew culture with a focus on ancient civilizations' supernatural beliefs and how they shape their scriptures.

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Lars if a former member of the Plymouth Brethren denomination and has joined us on The Great Deconstruction to talk about his fairly recent deconstruction and eventual deconversion. Lars’ Bio: "I was raised as a fundamentalist Christian, steeped in church activities, purity culture and creationism. I was involved in the AWANA children's program as both member and leader. While I had many doubts come my way, I just “put them on the shelf,” as Mormons often say. Despite having been hurt badly by many church teachings (especially regarding entertainment, mental health and sexuality), it wasn't until I learned why evolution is true that I actually started questioning whether the things I'd been taught were true.As I discovered, they were not.”

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