In this final episode before Summer vacation, Claudia Marcusson comes on the podcast to look back on the Green Transition Forum 5.0 where we both spoke on a panel on ESG on June 18 in Sofia, Bulgaria .

In the First segment we discuss challenges and successes in the startup and investor space .

In the Second segment , we discuss what defines success and failure for startups and investors in the Sustainability space.

Finally, in the Third segment , given that Europe is lagging behind in R & D , innovation and growth, and in light of the recently published Draghi et Letta reports what financial innovations are needed for growing more zebras ?