He's thoughtful, wicked smart and after a lifetime of interesting endeavors just wants it quiet while he concocts some of the best beer I've ever tasted. He's Chris Shaffer, THE brewer of 4 By 4 Brewing Co., which not only sponsors this podcast, but churns out some amazing brews. "The Growler" can usually be found in this giant laboratory whipping out a delicious blend of science and art, but I got to divert him for an hour. Enjoy a conversation with someone I've come to call a friend!