In this episode, I had a really life-giving conversation with Kathy Bolen. She is a mom of three and grandmother of one. She adopted two children and birthed one. We talked about the wisdom and insight she has on the other side of parenting, as an empty nester, finding herself and recalibrating her marriage. It was so refreshing to talk to someone about adoption who isn't in the thick of it, anymore.

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