<p>In this episode, hosts Kenneth Hartman and Lucy Copp share the space and pass the mic to Alia Hartman, Ken's daughter. Her perspective of LWOP is that of a daughter who grew up visiting her father in prison visiting rooms across the state of California. Now that her father is home, Alia is navigating new territory and learning that embracing the physical presence of her father is both joyful and challenging. </p>

In this episode, hosts Kenneth Hartman and Lucy Copp share the space and pass the mic to Alia Hartman, Ken's daughter. Her perspective of LWOP is that of a daughter who grew up visiting her father in prison visiting rooms across the state of California. Now that her father is home, Alia is navigating new territory and learning that embracing the physical presence of her father is both joyful and challenging.

<p>In this episode, hosts Kenneth Hartman and Lucy Copp share the space and pass the mic to Alia Hartman, Ken's daughter. Her perspective of LWOP is that of a daughter who grew up visiting her father in prison visiting rooms across the state of California. Now that her father is home, Alia is navigating new territory and learning that embracing the physical presence of her father is both joyful and challenging.&nbsp;</p>

The Hardest Presence

Life on the Outside is a podcast that shares stories about returning to society after decades of incarceration. For many, the process of reentry is complex and they navigate society that is in many ways very different from the one they left decades earlier.

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The Hardest Presence

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