Join hosts Linda and Daniel Simms with special guests Jessica San Luis and Phillip A. Jones for a new episode of the podcast, "DefundDOC." This episode takes a deep dive into the serious issues with Securus Technologies, a communication provider for incarcerated individuals.

Guest Jessica San Luis breaks down the contract between Securus and the Washington State Department of Corrections (WA DOC), highlighting how the department profits from the service while families and inmates suffer from frequent outages. The discussion also touches on the pervasive service failures and the monopoly Securus holds over inmate communication services.