In Part 2 of Avril Henry's interview with the Australian Icon of Women's Rights, Wendy McCarthy AO, we hear so much more about Wendy's life journey as one of Australia's and the world's most influential intellectuals in the space of women's rights, education and reproductive rights. In 2001 Wendy was voted a "Top 100" Australian Intellectual and in the same year she was noted in the publication "Power of One" as one of Australia's Top 100 people who impacted our nation's history. In Part 2 of this interview Avril and Wendy's discussion goes beyond Women's Reproductive Rights to her broad and deep life journey in making a meaningful and sustainable difference in change for women's rights broadly and education. They discuss the obstacles along Wendy's 50 year long journey in leadership, what it took to make a true and measurable difference for women's rights and what obstacles remain in 2020. We also learn more about their deep belief and experience in constructively engaging men in change for women and not just protesting and being outraged or "revolutionary" which is often not as effective and much more chaotic than collaborative engagement with men in power. In addition, another critical success factor for Wendy and other female leaders has been to lead women to better work and support each other together as a counterbalance to the power of the so called "boys club". This podcast brings to life what the saying "women hold up half the sky" really means and how a decades long "tribe" of educated women led by Wendy have changed the course of history.