Mvelo Hadabe was joined by Professor Simangaliso Raymond Khumalo for an insightful interview exploring the intersection of theology, politics, and public life. As a respected theologian, academic, and church leader, Professor Khumalo brought depth and perspective to conversations on the role of the church in society, ethical leadership, and how religion continues to shape democratic values in South Africa. The dialogue highlighted both historical and contemporary challenges, while also offering reflections on the future of faith and public engagement in the country. www.mut.ac.za · iono.fm