"It's painful to watch yourself on camera or listen to yourself interview someone on a podcast... but it's the single best way to get better."

Jason Nellis had dreams of stardom on the big screen as a theatre major in college... but it took a little while (and many twists along the way) to land him on the screen as the host of Unboxed TV and head of marketing at Packagd.  His career in tech began as a bit of an accident when he got his first job at Hulu long before people really knew that it would be THE Hulu and then to his own agency as an entrepreneur.

Along the way, Jason became the ultimate "learner" - but he learned by doing:

- Launching a podcast

On our fun conversation we talk about the power of "learning out loud" -- trying things, getting it out there for feedback and improving.  And I loved hearing how he got past the 'I hate watching myself' and 'I hate listening to myself' to learn how to improve his performances.

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