In this JASON podcast episode, Martijn van Bruinessen and Matteo Fontana discuss the premises and implications of Western support for the Ukrainian cause with former Dutch top diplomat Ron Keller. Mr. Keller is an especially relevant speaker to address the matter of the conflict in Ukraine because of his former posts as ambassador to Ukraine as well as to Russia. The goal of this episode is to provide the listener a clearer understanding as to the causes of the war in Ukraine, who is profiting from the conflict and to identify what’s at stake for the West as well as the international community as a whole.