Ever felt like your faith got you into business and then one day, it didn’t fit anymore? In this head-spinning, raw, and sometimes hilarious episode, Curt sits down with Bobby Walker (for round two!) to peel back the story of deconversion: from zealous Pentecostal minister to proud atheist, with marriage, business, and “the dark night of the soul” along for the ride. This one’s for anyone who’s ever questioned their foundation and wondered what happens next.

What They Talk About:

1. The “Sunday night canceled = atheist now?” story—Bobby Walker’s domino moment that started with questioning church services
2. When everything you believed suddenly starts to crumble, one brick at a time (and why Curt’s shelf analogy totally lands)
3. The awkward, terrifying moment you tell your spouse “I think I don’t believe anymore”—and how both Curt and Bobby Walker survived it
4. Why “just read and pray more” is both the best and worst faith crisis advice ever
5. Shame, honesty, and holding back from your partner—the mess and the relief of finally letting it out
6. How losing faith changed (and didn’t change) Bobby Walker’s experience as an entrepreneur (“Turns out, atheists need tribes too”)
7. Morality without God—how both guys wrestle with the fear that “if you’re not a believer, you just want to sin and eat babies”
8. The therapist story that did not go as planned (and why we both eventually needed real help)
9. Friendship across total belief difference—and why that’s the real miracle here

Key Takeaways:

1. Questioning everything isn’t a sign you want to “escape”—it’s usually the grittiest, most honest road there is
2. Deconversion isn’t a single moment; it’s death by a thousand cuts (and lots gets left unsaid)
3. Bringing shame and fear to light—especially with your spouse—is brutal but also freeing
4. You don’t lose your morals when you lose your faith—but that doesn’t mean people won’t judge you like you did
5. Sometimes, caring for yourself means finding friends—or pros—who can actually sit with you in the discomfort

No fake “wrap-up”—just a meandering conversation about growing up, breaking down, and maybe finding yourself (and your business) on the other side.