Most musicians, making a living at music, tour each record for a year and a half. This means that a band is living out of a tour van spending a lot of time driving, trapped in a small space with four other people . It's a lifestyle that can kill a band, especially when you’re a bunch of teenagers, just learning how to interact with other people as an adult.

The touring life nearly destroyed Born Ruffians and their second record, Say It, became a record about communication problems in the band.

I met up with Luke and Mitch where all the problems (and solutions) began: the Born Ruffians tour van. Luke and Mitch were shy at first, but after a while I got them to talk candidly about band life. Listen to our chat.

Tracks played on the show...

1) Born Ruffians, Say It (2010) “What to Say”

2) Born Ruffians, Say It (2010) “Oh Man”

3) Born Ruffians, Say It (2010) “Come Back”

ALL songs CANCON