While trying to find a quiet corner, The Veils frontman Finn Andrews and me got lost in backstage area of the newly renovated Fortune Sound Lounge. He rolled a cigarette as we chatted about his band's latest record, Total Depravity. Chance encounters while hanging out in LA ended up with Finn working on the record with rapper and hip hop producer El-P (from Run the Jewels) and film director legend David Lynch. (Finn will be appearing in the 2017 Twin Peaks revival.)

What was it like to have rapper El-P produce an indie rock band? How does Finn keep his discipline as a song writer? Why do the band publish the song lyrics on the Veils website? Why did Finn want me to play his song "Nux Vomica"? How did the band navigate tough times? What sweet tradition does he have with his rocker dad? Which song on Total Depravity did the band save from the recycling bin? What was it like working with David Lynch? You'll have to listen to find out.

Tracks played on the podcast edition of the show...

1) The Veils, Total Depravity (2016) "Axolotl"

2) Run the Jewels, Run the Jewels 3 (2016) "Talk to Me"

3) The Veils, Total Depravity (2016) "Low Lays the Devil"

4) The Veils, Nux Vomica (2006) "Nux Vomica"

5) The Veils, Live at Abbey Road (2013) "Out from the Valleys & Into the Stars"

6) The Veils, Total Depravity (2016) "In the Nightfall"

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