Luke and Andrew sit down with Ben Landsberry, who brews at The Kernel, to discuss ripe fruit, making the same beers over and over again and how Rebecca Black's Friday is one of the greatest songs of all time.

nb. Apologies for the audio quality on this one! We definitely won't be recording on a phone again!

Beers include:

• The Kernel - Biere de Saison Quince (Quince Saison)
• The Kernel - Pils Motueka (Pils Lager)
• The Kernel - Dry Stout Taiheke & Wakatu (Dry Stout)

Head to The Kernel store online and use the code RHYTHM to get 15% off your order (valid until the 31st August).

Theme tune is I Can Hew by Mawkin, from their album The Ties That Bind

Theme tune is “I Can Hew” by Mawkin, from their album The Ties That Bind.