In this episode of the Fatality Free Future® podcast, John Barclay and Holly Ferguson chat with Lean Management expert John Sibbon about the role of governance and measurement in safety.

John explains why frontline engagement, collaboration, and bottom-up ideas are key to effective governance, and how accurate data starts with those directly involved in safety events.

They also explore the difference between lagging and leading indicators, and what it takes for leaders to drive meaningful, lasting improvement.

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