"People were here for thousands of generations and in 120 years non-native people who came over were able to change the environment because they stopped using fire." Joining Vikki Preston (Karuk Department of Natural Resources) and Anna Malka Murviet (University of Arizona/Southwest Climate Adaptation Science Center) as they are joined by  Kathy McCovey a fierce and knowledgeable Karuk gatherer, knowledge holder/teacher, and plant expert. Listen in on how she has used her traditional knowledge throughout her life and career.