The second part of my interview with Matt Nicolaïdis, progressive activist based in the town of Bradford and the wider Simcoe region of Ontario. Matt and I talk about the differences in culture between the fast-paced life of a big city like Toronto, and the straightforward priorities of people in small towns and rural areas. We also talk about the heritage of Canada's biggest social democratic political party, the New Democrats, in rural activism of farmers' co-operatives, and how we've turned the NDP's founder, Greatest Canadian™ Tommy Douglas, into an icon to admire instead of what he really was – an activist and organizer from whom we can learn.